US Plans Massive Data Sweep

topic posted Thu, February 9, 2006 - 11:05 AM by  Obi-nine
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Little-known data-collection system could troll news, blogs, even e-mails. Will it go too far?
by Mark Clayton
source: www.commondreams.org/headlin...9-09.htm


The US government is developing a massive computer system that can collect huge amounts of data and, by linking far-flung information from blogs and e-mail to government records and intelligence reports, search for patterns of terrorist activity.

The system - parts of which are operational, parts of which are still under development - is already credited with helping to foil some plots. It is the federal government's latest attempt to use broad data-collection and powerful analysis in the fight against terrorism. But by delving deeply into the digital minutiae of American life, the program is also raising concerns that the government is intruding too deeply into citizens' privacy...
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    Sat, February 11, 2006 - 3:56 PM
    And it will be the target of every serious hacker in the world. I imagine that it will be so plagued with not just computer viruses but computer worms and the first generation of computer plagues. Oh well I am a loyal citizen so I don't worry. Are you pure? Do you love your country? Do you love the leader? Only time will tell.
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      Sat, February 11, 2006 - 7:35 PM
      I love this country but not the leader. He is kinda sexy though. If I had to have sex with him or Bill Clinton it would definitely be George. : ) His wife could watch and spank me and call us bad boys while spraying whip cream from a can all over us! Yeeee HAW!!!!
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        Sun, February 19, 2006 - 9:58 PM
        Well. There's one I never thought of.
        Lemme just throw a hunch out there. If the web is as complex as, uh.. insert a complex system here - an ecosystem, the stock market, an ant hill, whatever.
        Might us intelligent types make assumption that it follows the laws of systems theory/complexity theory? (If not familiar, this is a group of theories recently illuminating various scientific fronts).
        One of the basic ideas here is that anything over a certain level of complexity is fundementally unpredictable.
        The question is, can a snarl of competing bureaucracies be smart enough to actual read the shifting tides, the billions of firing synapses of the internet, and find the evil lurking within?
        Or is it more likely that a program like that is a veiled attempt to snag a bunch of wealth and power? Wouldn't be a first now would it?. When it comes right down to it, WHICH would they rather discover - those lurking terroristas, that frankly, they NEED to justify their own existence, -OR- some new method of manipulating some market for the enrichment of the crony country club?
        Gawd I'm ranting about politics online - save me.
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          Sun, February 19, 2006 - 10:13 PM
          anything over a certain level of complexity is fundementally unpredictable

          Maybe it's not so complex or unpredictable to the ones that set this beast free. And if chaos be but one tool or method to a means to an end so will it be to the finale. Assuredly they will enjoy their Swiss bank accounts until that time comes. It is only meant for us to have just enough bits & pieces to keep us agitated and at attention. Torture comes in many forms & the executioner wears many masks. Alas, beware.
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          Sun, October 1, 2006 - 4:33 PM
          "Well. There's one I never thought of.
          Lemme just throw a hunch out there. If the web is as complex as, uh.. insert a complex system here - an ecosystem, the stock market, an ant hill, whatever.
          Might us intelligent types make assumption that it follows the laws of systems theory/complexity theory? (If not familiar, this is a group of theories recently illuminating various scientific fronts).
          One of the basic ideas here is that anything over a certain level of complexity is fundementally unpredictable.
          The question is, can a snarl of competing bureaucracies be smart enough to actual read the shifting tides, the billions of firing synapses of the internet, and find the evil lurking within?
          Or is it more likely that a program like that is a veiled attempt to snag a bunch of wealth and power? "

          I'd guess that it's far less likely that they could build an AI system that would actually read, digest, and respond to *the whole internet* - it's a massive and fairly mutable pile of data. It seems more likely that they would target people within a certain demographic, or based on visits to specific sites (perhaps even setting up honeypots) or based on the use of specific keywords, then analyze those people's behavior and content.

          And, as someone else pointed out, it would probably be useful for justifying what you're doing, obtaining warrants, and the like.
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    Tue, February 21, 2006 - 1:11 AM
    <The US government is developing a massive computer system that can collect huge amounts of data>

    I thought the US had this already? They have been working on better software, as well as individual agencies who are not supposed to have access to NSA info. Well they can not use it in court.
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      Tue, February 21, 2006 - 6:32 AM
      Because of our new laws we can be treated any way they want to treat us. Most people don't realize that now we have laws in place that Joseph Stalin wished he would have thought of. They take a few at a time and gradually the numbers will increase till it's too late to do anything about it and generally accepted practice. Most people go along with it as to save themselves as usually the first to go are the most outspoken opposers. Court? lol Reconsider man. Not trying to be offensive. Just sharing my opinion.
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        Tue, February 21, 2006 - 2:19 PM
        Can't you just be a Good German? Don't you love our glorious Leader? You are disloyal for saying what you have said. The eyes of the Reich are on you. Dirty traitors will find themselves in the Camps.

        Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ein Furhrer.

        Or as Gil Scott Heron put it, "Haldemann, Erlichmann, Mitchell, and Dean. It follows a pattern, you know what I mean?"
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          Tue, February 21, 2006 - 9:37 PM
          The citizenry has been invited to join "TIPS", a civilian spy system to report on anyone who look suspicious-or who objects to what the executive is doingat home or abroad. Reminds me of when children are encouraged to turn their parents in for smoking a joint. That ruined so many families. Now we have something even more fucked up on an even grander scale. Wo hoo!!! Dissent & subversion seem to lead nowhere. So I sit back watch, observe the show. Some people think if you can't beat them join them. Some people are afraid to even talk about the things we post on this tribe for fear of getting into trouble. I can't help it. Guess when my number's up it's up. Your post made me think of a soldier at a death camp pointing people to the left for immediate extermination or to the right for slave labor and a slower painful more miserable death. Those that survived know what hell is for sure as theyve been there.
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            Tue, February 21, 2006 - 9:43 PM
            Under Stalin the populace had quotas for reporting on their friends, co-workers, neighbors, people on the street, even family. Accusation with no proof. No trial. Just a one way ticket to hell. If you didnt make your quota they'd send you for not being a good citizen. It was dutyful. Everyone was terrified they'd be next so everyone just went crazy with the finger pointing till the whole society was overcome by total madness. Even Stalin was insane! Am I wrong? This is the picture I get from reading certain books on the subject. Like "Koba The Dread - Laughter & the 20 Million" or the "Gulag Archipelago" books. And can anyone tell me, are there 3 or 4 of those?
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              Tue, February 21, 2006 - 9:45 PM
              I need to read more about Mao and the Chinese "RED" revolution. I saw a show on I think the HIstory Channel that was very interesting. I don't know that much about it. These things fascinate me.
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    Wed, February 22, 2006 - 1:54 PM
    "Starlight" has been around a while, check it...
    gis.esri.com/library/use...586/p586.htm

    Same shit really, with different names. Total Information Awareness etc.

    The plot thickens.
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      Wed, February 22, 2006 - 7:12 PM
      Where the hell did you find that bit?!!! That kind of thing is what I hunger to devour. It's like Neo finding the Matrix. That piece brought so many thoughts to my mind I couldnt post a response expressing everything I was thinking as I read it. There's so much to it! It also kind of reminds me of a combination of virtual reality & those things I've seen in different movies (not just Tom Cruise movies) where people are touching these screens in front of them and moving them around. You know what I'm talking about? But way more sophisticated than that even. I've never even tried virtual realty & know I want to even more & I want to use that system. If it is for govt or law enforcement only I think that sucks as it would be an incredible thing if everyone could use it. Sometimes I wonder if how in the Matrix when they upload "programs" of Jujitsu or like how to fly a helicoptor if that kind of thing may be really possible too? What a mindfuck! I'm going to enjoy re-reading this link at least a few times. Thanks so much for sharing. If you know of other interesting things please let me know. I'm always looking for something interesting. I hope you don't mind but I'm going to post this link on my HOTLINX= tribe as I find is fascinating. Oh God! I can't stop raving about how intense that shit is! Okay I'll stop NOW!!!!! POOF!!!!!
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    Tue, February 28, 2006 - 1:32 PM
    Yeah, so I have a related bit of interest along these same lines here...

    The other night I'm poking around in my firewall log (kind of a habitual occurance, I'll admit), and I came across an odd IP addy which just begged for further examination, so I start tracking down IP owners and looking at all the associations to them and dynamics surrounding them, right?

    Well, I think I hit on something here, but I need some help tracking down more about it.

    The IP in question was owned by one UUNet Technologies (remember them?) - the first commercial providers of the internet?

    Well, apparently, this company is *supposed to be* defunct and disbanded and no longer utilized, according to press releases from MCI back when they were Worldcom when they *supposedly* "retired" that portion of the business in 2002 after it had been aquired by MCI/Worldcom...

    Now, on the surface, this all seems like very typical big business news, right? Well, then you consider the nature and scope of situations surrounding the MCI/Worldcom bankrupcy filings (the biggest case of corporate fraud in history), which they still managed to bounce back from magically after the SEC *took possession of stock in the company* with due pressure being applied by the Dept. of Justice. Supposedly, this stock was supposed to be earmarked for return to investors... (unconfirmed - although why investors who were already invested in a company would want excess stock in a company that was getting filing for bankrupcy makes little sense, financially).

    Anyways, I don't want to spoil too many of the details, lest I bias anyone's findings, should they choose to pursue this, but if you ask me, I'm on to something *a little fishy*, when you consider that UUNet Technologies, Inc's backbone is what IPv6 is getting based on (even though it technically doesn't exist as a business entity anymore, and if the paperwork is to be believed is now held by Verizon), and there just *happens* to be some strange dynamics and stories related to it and various govt. agencies in the past.

    But, assuming that we can all agree that the govts stance on data collection being rather ubiquitous, I think if anyone was ever going to find concrete proof that the government's "public release" of DARPANet to the public to be a complete BS line and that the companies which run it ultimately tie back to the US govt, it's in here somewhere...

    Any other data hounds out there up for a hunt? :)
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      Tue, February 28, 2006 - 8:33 PM
      Sounds dangerous. Yet we are all treading in deep waters. Please don't wind up being the next Danny Casolaro or Jim Keith! They have the unfair advantage of being all powerful & in control with the power to silence as they see fit. I'm all for martyrdom for a cause but honestly if you don't make a big enough audience aware it will have all been for nothing. Jim Keith had a pretty good bit of work under his belt before it was his turn. And no I don't believe the "official account" of how he died. The pros know how to take care of business. There's a book called "The Covert War Against Rock". Different yet similar subject matter. Was a real eye opener for me.
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        Thu, March 2, 2006 - 7:51 PM
        Everything is already recorded on massive computers. Its only a question of learning to use the database, then it officially becomes surveillance.

        Also there are people who are master manipulators of the mind, especially brutes with any kind of power, as often are policemen or even bus station managers. These people have mental surveillance tools and use them to monitor any dissenting activity. Please be informed. They really do have the power to silence people, the power to disrupt a train of thought, the power to psychically observe what environment you are in, erase or distort memories and perceptions, etc. One of their favorite agendas is getting enlightened people to be labeled insane, making up things that never happened to discredit the person, and somehow emotionally assaulting the person to make them feel worthless and discredited and therefore powerless to neutralize the false accusations, and then bring them to a psych ward and injecting them with all sorts of mind control and dna altering drugs. I think people started developing this crap on a really refined level around the 30s, tho it has been in existence since the beginning of civilization.

        anybody interested in this issue, I'd be happy to go more in-depth
        rayofthearcsofiris@yahoo.com

        peace
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          Thu, March 2, 2006 - 8:37 PM
          I have a story to tell of my own along these lines. Your post makes me want to tell it but I dont know the best way to do it? Just write a long post or ..............not sure. Maybe I should just write a fuckin book!
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            Fri, September 29, 2006 - 3:23 PM
            i just watn to say we should distinguish between police and the sherriff patrol as community guardians. Sure they may hang out in a vehicle that says police,

            the level of decency and having things on the right level lets us know

            strange days indeed or the times they are achangin'?



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              Fri, September 29, 2006 - 3:45 PM
              um...didn't they do this already?? This is old news. If you don't think this isn't something that's already been happening for the past 15 years you need to read more. There were so many programs and instances where this happens, they just don't tell you. It's not a conspiracy, it's a fact.

              Hide the porn and the illegally download Shakespeare.
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      Fri, September 29, 2006 - 9:20 PM
      <The IP in question was owned by one UUNet Technologies (remember them?) - the first commercial providers of the internet?>

      One of the problems is taht ARIN the people that really record who owns an IP are so slow and have their hands tied that when a company goes out of business they can't really update the database that everyone draws upon for years. I have first hand experience with ARIN taking years to transfer IP addresses.